Tavi Gevinson interviewed Miley Cyrus for Elle to talk about all the things friends talk about in casual catch-up chats: breakups, the Disney Channel, race politics. Here’s the portion where they quiz each other on definitions, just like regular true friends.
TG: I read that you consider yourself a feminist. What does that mean to you?
MC: I’m just about equality, period. It’s not like, I’m a woman, women should be in charge! I just want there to be equality for everybody.
TG: Right! And that’s what feminism is.
MC: I still don’t think we’re there 100 percent. I mean, guy rappers grab their crotch all fucking day and have hos around them, but no one talks about it. But if I grab my crotch and I have hot model bitches around me, I’m degrading women? I’m a woman — I should be able to have girls around me! But I’m part of the evolution of that. I hope.
The issue also includes an essay from Gevinson, in which she argues that Cyrus is “searching for her place in the world … on an extreme scale, and, actually, in a much more unique, unprecedented way than her critics might think.” Sounds good, guys.