Ellie Kemper is used to constantly grinning for Kimmy Schmidt, but what does she look like when she’s just thinking about things and not trying to be cute as hell? Check out her “neutral face,” as Conan calls it. It’s still pretty cute. Conan, on the other hand, calls his look “sad and constipated.” We’re inclined to agree. Check out their resting bitchfaces in this clip, or to see Conan’s IRL, pull up alongside him on the 405.